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gabmac
New Member
English
- Sep 15, 2011
- #1
If I use a sentence with one third (half/quarter) and I am discussing countables (in this case people) is it correct to use the plural verb in the following example?
E.g. One third is safe. One third of them are safe (as opposed to is safe). I want to use the plural but am not sure if it is correct.
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Beryl from Northallerton
Senior Member
British English
- Sep 15, 2011
- #2
Hello gabmac, and Welcome to the Forum
It can go either way - sometimes context is the determinant factor.
e.g. I have split the people into three groups. One third is safe, the remaining two are not.
e.g. People come in three flavours: one third of them like politics, another third do not, and the remainder don't care.
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Thomas Tompion
Member Emeritus
Southern England
English - England
- Sep 15, 2011
- #3
I think it would be odd to talk of a third of the people in the singular, though I can see the grammatical case for it.
I'd always say a third of the people are safe, rather than a third of the people is safe.
I suspect I take the same line with most countables.
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gabmac
New Member
English
- Sep 15, 2011
- #4
Thanks B of A and TT! I agree - singular feels wrong but not sure if I can trust my ear as the third is singular.
The sentence I am thinking of is: One third of all patients are managed by specialist nurses.
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Beryl from Northallerton
Senior Member
British English
- Sep 15, 2011
- #5
Lose the 'all' and it's definitely a plural. Yours is a borderline case.
PaulQ
Senior Member
UK
English - England
- Sep 15, 2011
- #6
It is always "a third of something"
If the something is plural then so is the verb, if the something is singular then so is the verb
A third of the apple was bad
A third of the apples were bad
There will be cases where the 'of something' is missing, but this can be understood from the context: e.g.
Most politicians voted themselves a pay rise but one-twentieth [implied = politicians] were honest enough to vote against it.
One third of all patients are managed by specialist nurses.
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gabmac
New Member
English
- Sep 15, 2011
- #7
OK!! makes perfect sense to me. Fantastic. will go with it. THANK YOU ALL
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Thomas Tompion
Member Emeritus
Southern England
English - England
- Sep 15, 2011
- #8
PaulQ said:
It is always "a third of something"
If the something is plural then so is the verb, if the something is singular then so is the verb
A third of the apple was bad
A third of the apples were badThere will be cases where the 'of something' is missing, but this can be understood from the context: e.g.
Most politicians voted themselves a pay rise but one-twentieth [implied = politicians] were honest enough to vote against it.
One third of all patients are managed by specialist nurses.
This is interesting, Paul. Thank you.
I think we should add a caveat. Sometimes a collective noun can be treated either as a plural or a singular:
The whole cabinet is behind you
The whole cabinet are behind you
So a third of the cabinet can be either singular or plural.
Similarly a box of apples can be either singular or plural:
A third of the box is rotten
A third of the box are rotten
I don't doubt there are further complexities.
PaulQ
Senior Member
UK
English - England
- Sep 15, 2011
- #9
Ha! I knew there'd be ambiguities! But being as both are correct, the rule of thumb holds.
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